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142 messages in org.apache.cocoon.devRe: Lazy mode (was Re: [RT] Is Cocoon...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Subject: | Re: Lazy mode (was Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete?) | Actions... |
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| From: | Sylvain Wallez (sylv...@apache.org) | |
| Date: | Oct 3, 2005 8:41:42 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cocoon.dev | |
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Agree, but on the other hand, this lazy-loading of components mean that some buggy declarations will not be detected at startup time, which would be better in a production environment.
This leads again to the discussion about "running modes" [1] where some developer-oriented features (e.g. lazy startup, cocoon stacktraces on screen, client-side alerts in Ajax libraries) would only be enabled in development mode. IIRC, ruby on rails has this kind of modes too.
Now, considering how many things are loaded at runtime in Cocoon (sitemaps, XSLs, templates, etc), we can just consider that components are just yet another thing loaded at runtime and set lazy mode as the default one.
Thoughts, especially about running modes?
One interesting question is, what is the default mode we ship? Development or production? I think we should ship development settings as the default.
Interesting question. If we ship with dev mode on, many people will deploy in dev mode. On the other hand, if we ship in production mode, many people won't see the features of dev mode.
A solution is to ship in dev mode, but ensure that people know they're in dev mode. With a big splash, either in the console, in a transient Swing window (appear for 5 seconds and disappear) or why not as the first page displayed in the browser.
Now, for the modes, if we solve everything with properties, we can provide one directory for each mode containing different property files and then simply tell Cocoon to load all property files from a specific directory. This is already implemented in 2.2 anyway.
You mean that we can already choose at startup time where the property files are loaded from?
The lazy loading is a property, too. And properties can be used inside xconf and I think sitemaps as well to replace tokens.
Sounds good.
Sylvain
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