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142 messages in org.apache.cocoon.devRe: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete?| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Stefano Mazzocchi | Sep 30, 2005 2:56 pm | |
| Sebastien Arbogast | Sep 30, 2005 3:11 pm | |
| Ralph Goers | Sep 30, 2005 3:16 pm | |
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| From: | Joerg Heinicke (joer...@gmx.de) | |
| Date: | Oct 2, 2005 1:13:44 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cocoon.dev | |
On 30.09.2005 23:57, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Over the last 6 months, I worked pretty heavily on Mozilla as a platform.
As you might know I (or we at Virbus at that time) have created an application built on Mozilla [1] [2].
but most important, is that pretty much everything that cocoon was born to do, you can now do it in firefox directly.
And we also perceived the fact that Cocoon to a large extent was no longer used in the way it was targeted. AFAIR the only "classical" pipeline was a serializing of business objects to XML and transforming these structures to RDF. The other tasks could have been done by other software too, e.g. delivering static resources. So, yes, I can agree to a certain extent to your thoughts.
I do that for my latest web sites and the more I learn how to driven the client, the less I feel the need for advanced server frameworks. Is it just me? Is client side advancement making cocoon and all its machinery to compensate for advanced web client obsolete and archaic?
No. Cocoon is not and will not become obselete IMO. First you need a server framework, somewhat has still to respond to requests. Now must it be an advanced one? What's advanced? Is Struts advanced? Must it be Cocoon?
At least I prefer it by far. Cocoon is the most flexible framework and is probably the one that best suits to the new requirements. So Cocoon has maybe to move its focus - for the case rich clients really take off. But I can see that frameworks like Struts with a focus on just view and controller might become obsolete.
For Cocoon removing the creation of UIs from the server still leaves enough room as integration platform (serializing business objects, getting data from anywhere) or for fulfilling non-functional requirements, e.g. caching.
Jörg
[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106448994624522&w=4 [2] http://www.ewerk.com/index.php?page=993 (The app is now sold by eWerk and maintained by a subcontractor.)