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Subject:Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete?Actions...
From:Antonio Gallardo (agal@agssa.net)
Date:Oct 2, 2005 2:02:32 pm
List:org.apache.cocoon.dev

Ross Gardler wrote:

One other significant point to the many arguments as to why Cocoon is *not* obsolete is that a rich client requires higher bandwidth. We tend to think that bandwidth is limitless and cheap, and to many of us it is getting that way. However, for a large section of the world, those on the other side of the Digital Divide, bandwidth is *extremely* expensive and limited.

Yes, just ask me, I am paying US$99.00 (also add 15% tax) monthly for just 512 kbps now [1]. :-(

I don't wanted to add the bandwidth use as an issue, because it really depends on how we do the client. A really advantage of rich clients is that they (under some cirscunstances) don't need all the "document styling stuff" embedded in the page as the current browsers need. As a sample, lets see how a query to a DB server can use more or less bandwidth. It depends on how we ask the content:

"SELECT * FROM a_huge_table; --> resulting in millions of records throught the poor bandwidth! Too bad!

or just: "SELECT * FROM my_huge_table [LIMIT x] [OFFSET y]" --> with this we are able to skip "y" rows and send only "x" rows through the bandwidth. A lot better!

This was already solved by LAN rich clients long time ago. I believe similar behaviors can be used in the new web world of rich clients for other formats, hence sending just a fragment of a huge document.

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo.

[1] See: http://www.cablenet.com.ni/aboutus/servicios/highspeed.html